• The Decline of PCs

    From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 16, 2025 13:59:34
    Re: Re: Thin client PC to run
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 02 2025 08:06:37

    Now, everyone has something at their house, but the stores are gone.
    Shame.

    Well, almost. In my area we still have a Micro Center, which was one of the major chains back in the day.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 16, 2025 14:17:50
    Re: Re: Thin client PC to run
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 02 2025 08:06:37

    Lately I've realized that a good number of people these days don't have a desktop or laptop PC anymore and just use a tablet or smartphone.. I find that hard to believe though...

    Stats (in this case) don't lie. Judging by the students at the college I work at, the vast majority use (or try to) their cellphones for everything, however, I still see a few toting laptops and tablets.

    ...even some fairly simple things like sending an email and applying for jobs
    online (really, anything where you'd need to write up a document of some kind) is a lot easier with a real keyboard and bigger screen.

    People have been using cell phones to send email years before the iPhone came out. As for documents, it can be done, but I wouldn't want to put my thumbs through that kind of turture. To quote a line from an original Battlestar Galactica ep, "Give me the good old keyboard and print out".

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Tuesday, December 16, 2025 12:35:25
    Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Dec 16 2025 01:59 pm

    Now, everyone has something at their house, but the stores are gone.
    Shame.

    Well, almost. In my area we still have a Micro Center, which was one of the major chains back in the day.

    You replied to me, but I didn't write what you quoted..?

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Tuesday, December 16, 2025 15:48:02
    Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Dec 16 2025 02:17 pm

    Stats (in this case) don't lie. Judging by the students at the college I work at, the vast majority use (or try to) their cellphones for everything, however, I still see a few toting laptops and tablets.

    There are things that I think a cell phone is fine for. I guess it's things like content creation, photo & video editing, software development (which I do) are a lot easier with a physical keyboard and a bigger screen.

    ...even some fairly simple things like sending an email and applying for
    jobs online (really, anything where you'd need to write up a document of
    some kind) is a lot easier with a real keyboard and bigger screen.

    People have been using cell phones to send email years before the iPhone came out. As for documents, it can be done, but I wouldn't want to put my thumbs through that kind of turture.

    Yeah.. I think they're fine for sending short emails, but for sending longer emails, I feel like it's tedious & time-consuming to type on virtual phone keyboards, similar to writing documents. I took a typing class in 8th grade, and ever since then, I've been typing so much faster than I can type on a smartphone virtual keyboard. A phystical keyboard is still my preferred method for typing.

    I've heard a lot of schools in the US don't teach typing anymore. Although a lot of people tend to use smartphones for things these days, I still find it surprising that schools would drop typing classes. I feel like if more people took typing classes, people might generally prefer a physical keyboard over using smartphones for typing.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Mortar on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 07:45:14
    Mortar wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Well, almost. In my area we still have a Micro Center, which was one
    of the major chains back in the day.

    The closest MicroCenter to me (it just opened) is 35 miles away. It's in
    the shadow of 3 former Fry's locations that served the area until they
    folded.

    While they are incredibly impressive, I still miss the mom n' pop feel
    of a local computer store a mile away. Admittedly, much of that is
    nostalgia, like remembering buying my first mouse, buying a custom-build pentium...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Mortar on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 07:45:14
    Mortar wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Stats (in this case) don't lie. Judging by the students at the college
    I work at, the vast majority use (or try to) their cellphones for everything, however, I still see a few toting laptops and tablets.

    I'd think a Chromebook would be a great college tool - most of them
    have wifi everywhere now, they're lightweight, long battery life...

    ...even some fairly simple things like sending an email and applying for jobs
    online (really, anything where you'd need to write up a document of some kind) is a lot easier with a real keyboard and bigger screen.

    My mother-in-law is flying over from England for the holidays; there
    were forms to be filled out that had to be done online. She has a flip
    phone, her daughter and their family only had cell phones. My
    sister-in-law had to bring her work laptop home to fill the forms out.

    (begging the question, why have a laptop if you leave it at work? But,
    that's a riddle for a different time...)





    People have been using cell phones to send email years before the
    iPhone came out. As for documents, it can be done, but I wouldn't want
    to put my thumbs through that kind of turture. To quote a line from an original Battlestar Galactica ep, "Give me the good old keyboard and
    print out".

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Mortar on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 08:24:31
    Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Dec 16 2025 01:59 pm

    Now, everyone has something at their house, but the stores are gone.
    Shame.

    Well, almost. In my area we still have a Micro Center, which was one of the major chains back in the day.

    In my area we have a chain of computer stores called PCLaptops, they also sell Desktops.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 11:15:53
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:45:14

    While they are incredibly impressive, I still miss the mom n' pop feel
    of a local computer store a mile away.

    We had those too. Back around the mid-90s, me and a guy I knew made it a tradtion to hit all the computer stores in the area. First, we hit all the small shops since there usually wasn't much to see and not much turnover. Then we hit the chains (Micro Center, CompUSA, Computer City, etc.) where we'd spend most of the day; always something new to see. Good times.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 11:26:02
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:45:14

    I'd think a Chromebook would be a great college tool - most of them
    have wifi everywhere now, they're lightweight, long battery life...

    I'd never recommend a Chromebook. Any laptop that /requires/ you to be online to be useful is never a good idea, not to mention being restricted to Google's ecosystem.

    ...why have a laptop if you leave it at work?

    Probably for the same reason people bring an unbrella to work but leave it in their car.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 12:46:05
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:45 am

    The closest MicroCenter to me (it just opened) is 35 miles away. It's in the shadow of 3 former Fry's locations that served the area until they folded.

    I think it would be great if Micro Center opened a location in the former Fry's Electronics location near me. But there are no Micro Center locations at all close to me.

    While they are incredibly impressive, I still miss the mom n' pop feel of a local computer store a mile away. Admittedly, much of that is nostalgia, like remembering buying my first mouse, buying a custom-build pentium...

    I also miss those small computer stores. There used to be a fair number of them in my area, and I liked supporting them. In the 90s and early-mid 2000s, I often used to look at their ads & sometimes call them to compare prices. But admittedly, in the late 90s, I started buying computer parts online because they'd often be significantly less expensive online. I used to use PriceWatch to compare prices for parts and buy from the one with the lowest price. Prices varied quite a bit back then, but now, I've noticed that prices for anything are all the same anywhere, whether you buy at a physical store or online. They're all trying to compete with each other.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 12:51:04
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:45 am

    (begging the question, why have a laptop if you leave it at work? But, that's a riddle for a different time...)

    Many of the jobs I've had have issued laptops for the employees. At my last couple jobs though, I tended to leave my laptop at the office, unless I was going to be working at home. Aside from working from home, I almost never needed to use my work laptop at home, so it didn't really matter that it was a laptop, I'd just be carrying it back and forth for no reason.

    Also, at my job before the last, even though we had laptops, we could remote desktop into our laptop at work (and the company was fine with that), so there really was no reason to bring our work laptops home.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 19:07:53
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Tue, Dec 16 2025 17:48:02 -0600, you wrote:

    I've heard a lot of schools in the US don't teach typing anymore.
    Although a lot of people tend to use smartphones for things these
    days, I still find it surprising that schools would drop typing
    classes. I feel like if more people took typing classes, people
    might generally prefer a physical keyboard over using smartphones
    for typing.

    Most school districts around here have you rent a Chromebook (and make sure to pay extra for the insurance because most kids don't take very good care of them!) for your kid starting in middle school (5th or 6th grade). I imagine there is no need for a typing class, as they probably learn by using a keyboard pretty much all the time. Both of my kids can type just fine, and they have never had an actual typing class. *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Mortar on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 17:35:34
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 17 2025 11:26 am

    I'd never recommend a Chromebook. Any laptop that /requires/ you to be online to be useful is never a good idea, not to mention being restricted to Google's ecosystem.

    They work offline as well, and when they go EOL, they make great linux laptops. :)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 18:01:10
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:07 pm

    Most school districts around here have you rent a Chromebook (and make sure to pay extra for the insurance because most kids don't take very good care of them!) for your kid starting in middle school (5th or 6th grade). I imagine there is no need for a typing class, as they probably learn by using a keyboard pretty much all the time. Both of my kids can type just fine, and they have never had an actual typing class. *shrug*

    I've heard many people who learn typing on their own often tend to do hunt & peck, and can get good at that, but I don't think that's the optimal way. A typing class would teach how to do touch-typing, by placing your hands on the home row & practicing moving your fingers to where the keys are, and you eventually basically memorize the key locations so you don't have to look at the keyboard when you type. Unless someone is using software to learn touch-typing, there's a chance they may be typing by hunt & peck.

    I had my own computer for a couple years before I took a typing class, and I was basically doing hunt & peck.. I probably wouldn't have naturally started doing touch-typing if I hadn't taken a typing class.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 21:16:31
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Wed, Dec 17 2025 20:01:10 -0600, you wrote:

    I've heard many people who learn typing on their own often tend to
    do hunt & peck, and can get good at that, but I don't think that's
    the optimal way. A typing class would teach how to do touch-typing,
    by placing your hands on the home row & practicing moving your
    fingers to where the keys are, and you eventually basically memorize
    the key locations so you don't have to look at the keyboard when you
    type. Unless someone is using software to learn touch-typing,
    there's a chance they may be typing by hunt & peck.

    You seem to /hear/ a lot of things! ;)

    Both of my high school kids (one senior (12th), the other a freshman (9th)) have had a Chromebook since about 6th grade, and can type just fine. Neither has had a class specific to typing only, but it's very possible that learning how to type is/was part of the curriculum without the need for a specific semester long class needed (probably a waste to dedicate half a school year to typing out sentences and paragraphs), as they use their Chromebooks for everything up to and including homework, tests, and school related emails.

    You have to keep in mind computers are everywhere these days, whereas they were fairly new to the common household and pretty expensive back in the early to mid 90s where for probably /most/ people, their only access to a computer was a school or a library. All we really had back then was learning how to type, and if you were interested in that, start programming in BASIC or maybe even move up to Pascal if you were a real go-getter.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 21:30:42
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 05:35 pm

    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 17 2025 11:26 am

    I'd never recommend a Chromebook. Any laptop that /requires/
    you to be online to be useful is never a good idea, not to mention
    being restricted to Google's ecosystem.

    They work offline as well, and when they go EOL, they make great
    linux laptops. :)

    you sure about this or is this something you've heard. i havent heard that they are great linux laptops
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Mortar on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 21:25:49
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 17 2025 11:26 am

    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mortar on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:45:14

    I'd think a Chromebook would be a great college tool - most of them
    have wifi everywhere now, they're lightweight, long battery life...

    I'd never recommend a Chromebook. Any laptop that /requires/ you to be online to be useful is never a good idea, not to mention being restricted to Google's ecosystem.

    My primary personal laptop is a Lenovo Chromebook. Best $299 computer I've owned, by a long shot: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BFFZH9LN

    I run native Linux apps on it, develop code on it, the normal things you'd want to do with most laptops. I wouldn't use it to edit videos or play FPS games, but for most of the things I need a computer for, it's very capable. I'd buy another one.
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  • From Rob Mccart@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Thursday, December 18, 2025 09:45:37
    There are things that I think a cell phone is fine for. I guess it's
    >things like content creation, photo & video editing, software development
    (which I do) are a lot easier with a physical keyboard and a bigger screen.

    I usually only turn on my Laptop as the last thing I do before retiring
    for the night. I check eMail and Texts and such earlier in the day
    on my cell phone but, other than short eMail replies, I tend to leave
    any longer ones for later.

    I learned (self taught) to type long before computers. My sister took
    typing in school and was at the basic required 35 wpm level, and my
    mother mentioned at the time that she couldn't tell if it was my
    sister or me typing in the other room. That said, I was typing using
    2 to 4 fingers, not proper hand placement, but I typed a lot of long
    projects for school doing it that way.

    I also hook up a full sized keyboard to my Laptop when I'm at home
    because it's easier than using the smaller version.

    I also use a large monitor a mouse and a Sub-Woofer speaker system
    with the Laptop, but you still retain the advantage of portability
    should you need to travel..

    My sister has a Desktop system at home and a Laptop for travel
    but she's often complaining that files and such she needs
    are not on her Laptop, just at home..

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Thursday, December 18, 2025 10:49:53
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 17 2025 09:16 pm

    Both of my high school kids (one senior (12th), the other a freshman (9th)) have had a Chromebook since about 6th grade, and can type just fine. Neither has had a class specific to typing only, but it's very possible that learning how to type is/was part of the curriculum without the need for a specific semester long class needed (probably a waste to dedicate half a school year to typing out sentences and paragraphs), as they use their Chromebooks for everything up to and including homework, tests, and school related emails.

    You have to keep in mind computers are everywhere these days, whereas they were fairly new to the common household and pretty expensive back in the early to mid 90s where for probably /most/ people, their only access to a computer was a school or a library. All we really had back then was

    To me, that seems like all the more reason to take a typing class. If you're going to be using computers a lot, it helps to be able to touch-type. As I said in my last message, I had a computer for a couple years before taking a typing class, and my typing ability & speed increased dramatically after I took a typing class. Also, I think typing is something where practice helps, so I think that's all the more reason that typing classes would help today.

    Back in the 90s, when computers were less common as you said, I'd think people would have had less reason to take a typing class. I decided to take a typing class because I had a computer at home and was using it fairly often.

    Also, although computers are everywhere, from what I've heard, that's often in the form of smartphones & tablets for most people, which don't have a physical keyboard. It's still very common to see computers with physical keyboards in offices though.

    So, to say that typing classes aren't needed because computers are everywhere doesn't really make sense to me.

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Thursday, December 18, 2025 14:52:24
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Thu, Dec 18 2025 12:49:53 -0600, you wrote:

    So, to say that typing classes aren't needed because computers are
    everywhere doesn't really make sense to me.

    I'm going off of actually having 2 kids and witnessing firsthand what they can do with computers at a young age, due to what they've learned in school /without/ a class specific to only typing. So it does makes sense to me.

    Aren't you going off of what you've heard? I'm going to have to agree to disagree on this one. ;)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Thursday, December 18, 2025 13:59:14
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu Dec 18 2025 02:52 pm

    So, to say that typing classes aren't needed because computers are
    everywhere doesn't really make sense to me.

    I'm going off of actually having 2 kids and witnessing firsthand what they can do with computers at a young age, due to what they've learned in school /without/ a class specific to only typing. So it does makes sense to me.

    Aren't you going off of what you've heard? I'm going to have to agree to disagree on this one. ;)

    And my own experience (which I've mentioned a couple times now) - I'll say it again: I was a hunt-and-peck typer until I took a typing class, which dramatically improved my typing. I thought that was fairly common..

    Nightfox

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Nightfox on Thursday, December 18, 2025 16:40:56
    Hey Nightfox!

    On Thu, Dec 18 2025 15:59:14 -0600, you wrote:

    And my own experience (which I've mentioned a couple times now) -
    I'll say it again: I was a hunt-and-peck typer until I took a typing
    class, which dramatically improved my typing. I thought that was
    fairly common..

    So you're basing your own experience of a typing class you took ~30 years ago? Completely understand your point of view, now.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Accession on Thursday, December 18, 2025 16:10:10
    Re: Re: The Decline of PCs
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu Dec 18 2025 04:40 pm

    So you're basing your own experience of a typing class you took ~30 years ago? Completely understand your point of view, now.

    The layout of keyboards haven't really changed much in that time. I don't know how touch-typing would really be different these days. My typing is still pretty good. I don't understand what you're trying to say here..

    Nightfox

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